The suffering of God’s people must validate God’s judgments.

Purpose

In the fifth seal, the souls of those who have been killed for their faith are under the altar, crying out to God for revenge. But they are given white robes and told to wait until their fellow brethren, who are to be killed as they were, are completed.

This seems to support the idea that people have immortal and conscious souls that continue to live after death. However, the previous article discussed this and concluded that the “souls underneath the altar” are not literal people under a literal altar. Rather, it uses an Old Testament sacrificial ritual to symbolize that God’s people have been sacrificed on a symbolic altar. Their cry to God symbolizes God’s awareness of the suffering of His people and His desire to restore justice. That article covered many of the concepts in the fifth seal and should be read before the current article (Read Article). 

The purpose of the current article is to determine what the fifth seal means. Does it describe a specific event in history? What are the white robes given to God’s people? Does the seal say we must wait for a specific number of people to be killed before Christ may return? 

Overview

Previous articles concluded that the four horsemen of the first four seals (Rev 6:1-8) describe the Church Age. The white horse of the first is the gospel going out. (Read Article) The three horses in the next three seals are the consequences of preaching the gospel, namely, persecution of God’s witnesses (second seal), causing famine for the Word of God (third seal), and resulting in spiritual death (fourth seal). (Read Article)

The first and sixth seals begin with the words “and I saw,” meaning that these are the beginning of two sections of the vision, which also means that the fifth seal belongs with the first four. However, since it does not have a horse and does not cause calamities, it is different from the previous four.

This is not only the injustice to the people of God who have been killed that calls out to God but all persecution of God’s people. This cry does not go out at a specific time but always.

In response to their cry, the “souls” are given white robes, symbolizing redemption (acceptance by God), and told to rest a little while longer until their fellow servants, who must be killed as they were, are completed. Translations often imply that a certain number of God’s people must be killed. However, it means that God’s people must overcome. This is explained by the wider context:

When He arrived in heaven after He had been resurrected, Jesus Christ received a book that was sealed with seven seals (Rev 5:7). (Read Article)

This is the Book of Life, identifying the people God has chosen for eternal life. The seals are Satan’s accusations against them. By accusing God’s elect, he effectively accuses God of unfair judgment. The book is sealed in the sense that nobody was able to refute Satan and show that God’s judgments (who will live and who will die) are always perfect. (Read Article) However, by overcoming, Jesus earned the right to break the seals and open the book (Rev 5:5).

Revelation 6, 7, and 8:1 describe what happens when Jesus breaks the seals. Breaking the seals means showing that Satan’s accusations are unfounded and that God’s judgments are perfect. Christ has not yet returned because Satan’s accusations have not yet been fully refuted and because God will not execute His judgments until they are understood. Particularly through the end-time crisis, Jesus will prove that God judges perfectly, namely, that God’s elect are worthy of election and no other person is. 

This is what the “souls underneath the altar” must wait for. 

Like the cry of the souls goes out all the time, the command to wait a little longer also goes out all the time. In Revelation, people receive white robes while alive (Rev 3:4; 7:14). Therefore, this is also not a specific event. In conclusion, the fifth seal is a general principle, which is also the central theme of the vision of the sealed book, namely that the suffering of God’s people is necessary to validate God’s judgments. (Read Article)

6:9

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained;

This is the altar of burnt offerings.

This is the fifth of the seven seals of the book Christ received in Revelation 5:1, 7. The “Lamb” is Jesus Christ (Rev 5:6). 

There were two altars in the ancient Jewish temple. The altar of incense was inside the temple but the very large altar of burnt offerings was outside the temple in the center of the courtyard. Smoke from this altar would rise over the city. Since the “souls” are symbolically underneath the altar, the altar here is the altar of burnt offerings (See previous article).

6:10

and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

 

The cry to God is not from literal people. The cruelty of God’s enemies calls out for justice.

This is another indication that these are not literal people under a literal altar. God’s people do not seek revenge (Acts 7:60; Luke 23:34). God said that the blood of Abel cried out to Him from the ground (Gen 4:10). It was not Abel who cried out but the injustice done to Abel. In the same way, it is the injustice to God’s people that cry out to Him to set things right. (See previous article

God’s people have always been crying, How long?”

“How long” is a cry of protest over persecution. People suffer, but God does not seem to be doing anything. All believers of all ages ask this question. [Show More]

Revelation uses the title “lord” for God and Jesus and the 24 elders. It means ‘master.’

It is not clear whether “Lord” here addresses God or Christ. Revelation clearly distinguishes between God and Jesus but refers to both as “Lord.” [Show More]

Since, in our verse, the souls call for revenge, and since God is later praised for revenging the blood of His people Rev 19:1), the “souls” under the altar probably address God.

John also addressed one of the elders as “lord” (Rev 7:14). In the Greek, it is the same word (kurios). Whether the first letter is capitalized depends on who it refers to.

The phrase “holy and true” may refer to God or Jesus.

“Holy and true” recalls how Jesus introduced Himself to the church in Philadelphia (Rev 3:7). Furthermore, the word for “holy” in Revelation 6:10 is hagios, which means ‘set apart’ by God, and is a more appropriate choice for Christ than for God.

On the other hand, Revelation says of the “Lord God, the Almighty … You alone are holy” (Rev 15:3-4; cf. Rev 16:5), and the title “Almighty” refers exclusively to the Father (e.g., Rev 21:22). As the One who exists without a cause, the Almighty is truly different from all else.

The word for true means the perfect realization of an idea. For example, Moses gave the Israelites bread, but Jesus is the true bread (John 6:31-32). Israel was the vine of God’s planting (Psa 80:8; Isa 5:1-7), but Christ is the true vine (John 15:1). The Bible refers to Jesus as theos (God or god) several times (Read Article), but the Father is “the only true God” (John 17:3).

The cry of the souls will be answered with God’s judgment on Babylon.

Revelation 19:1-2 uses the same words “judge” and “avenge” when “a great multitude in heaven” says:

“He has judged the great harlot … He has
avenged the blood of his bond-servants on her.”

This great multitude, therefore, praises God for answering the cry in the fifth seal. Revelation 19 is a continuation of the seventh plague, which was God’s judgment on Babylon (Rev 16:19), who killed all of God’s people (Rev 18:24). Therefore, God’s judgment of Babylon is the answer to the cry of the souls under the altar. [Show More]

The phrase “those who dwell on the earth” always refers to God’s enemies on Earth.

The Book of Revelation uses this phrase consistently for those who oppose God and His people (Rev 1:10; 8:13; 11:10; 13:8, 14; 17:2). In contrast, God’s people are represented as “those who live in heaven” (Rev 13:6; cf. 14:3; 15:2). [Show More]

6:11

And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.
A white robe symbolizes redemption.

The robe (Gr. stolê) is a long, flowing robe (Luke 15:22; 20:46) that is also worn by angels (Mark 16:5) and by Jesus (Rev 1:13). 

Revelation always associates the color white with God and His people. (See first seal.) White robes are a sign of acceptance by God. For example, “He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life” (Rev 3:4-5). [Show More]

White and “clean” have the same meaning (Rev 7:14) and are the opposite of “soiled” (Rev 3:4). [Show More]

The souls are “resting,” a term used in Daniel and Revelation to describe death as a sleep.

The souls under the altar were told to rest for a little while longer. This implies that they have been resting and currently still are resting. It is the injustice they suffered that cries out to God, not living beings. “Rest” means that they are sleeping. [Show More]

From an earthly perspective, the time is not short.

The phrase “little while” occurs again in Revelation 20:3, saying that Satan, at the end of the millennium, will be loosed for a short time from his chains in the Abyss. Revelation always describes time as short (Rev 1:1, 3, and 12:12). The time on this earth is short compared to what must be achieved in that time. Therefore, this verse’s “little while” should not be taken literally.

The “souls” must wait, not until a specific number of saints are killed but until God’s people are proven.

The souls under the altar are told to continue resting until the number of their fellow servants to be killed has been completed (Rev 6:11). But the phrase “number of” does not appear in the Greek. It just says they must wait until their fellow servants have been completed. [Show More]

For the following reasons, it is proposed that “completed” should be understood qualitatively (in character), not quantitatively (a specific number):

1) If John meant that a certain “number” must be killed, he would probably have said so.

2) These same “fellow servants” are described as an innumerable multitude before God’s throne. But the innumerable multitude “no one could count” (Rev 7:9). So, the exact number seems unimportant. [Show More]

3) Would a God of love arbitrarily decree that a fixed number of His people must be killed before Christ may return?

4) There are many indications in Revelation that God’s end-time people will be made ‘complete’ in character (spiritually mature) before Christ returns. [Show More]

God’s end-time people will not be without sin, but they will be completely loyal to God as David apparently was despite his flaws (1 Kings 11:4-6). [Show More]

The cry of the souls, “How long,” is not a specific event but timeless.

The souls under the altar cry out for revenge (Rev 6:10). But they are given white robes and told to wait a little longer (Rev 6:11). Is this a specific event at a particular time or a general principle?

God’s people would not seek revenge, as they are symbolized to do in the fifth seal. Rather, like Jesus and Stephan, they would say:

“Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing” (Luke 23:34)!

Therefore, as stated, the fifth seal is not literal people crying out for revenge. Instead, like Abel’s blood that cried out to God from the ground (Gen 4:10), it is the injustice done to God’s people that cries out to God to set things right. This is not limited to a specific point in time but happens all the time.

The entire fifth seal is not a specific event but timeless.

There is a progression in the seals. As stated:

The white horse of the first seal symbolizes the gospel going out.

The sword of the red horse of the second seal is the consequence of preaching the gospel, namely, the persecution of God’s people.

The black horse of the third seal is the consequence of the second, namely, a famine for the Word of God.

The pale horse of the fourth seal is spiritual death, which is the consequence of the third.

However, this is a logical progression, not a historical one, meaning that this sequence can occur at any time and place. One cannot allocate these to four specific periods in history. Similarly, the cry of the souls is not a particular event. In Revelation, people receive their robes while alive (e.g., Rev 3:4-5, 18; 7:7-14; 16:15; 19:7-8) and, therefore, not a specific event in history. The same applies to the command to wait a little while longer. Thus, the entire fifth seal is timeless. [Show More]


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Are the souls under the altar alive? (Rev 6:9-11)

Overview

In the fifth seal, “souls underneath the altar” cry out to God for revenge. That is often used to support the popular belief that humans have immortal souls that survive death and that believers go to heaven in a bodiless state when they die. However:

1) These souls come alive when Jesus returns (Rev 20:4), meaning they are not alive today.

2) These souls are resting (Rev 6:11), and Daniel and Revelation use the term “rest” to describe Death as a sleep (Dan 12:13; Rev 14:13).

3) These souls are not literal people underneath a literal altar (Rev 6:9) but symbolize that God’s people are sacrificed ON the altar. [Show More]

4) This vision does not present these souls as in heaven because they are underneath the altar, which is on earth. [Show More]

5) These souls are not literal people crying out to God for revenge (Rev 6:9-10) because God’s people do not cry out for revenge (e.g., Luke 23:34). It is the injustice to God’s people that calls out to God to restore justice.

6) Since Revelation is a book of symbols, and since everything else in the fifth seal is symbolic, these “souls” should not be taken as literal people. [Show More]

7) Revelation uses the word “soul” seven times but never uses it for an immortal, conscious part of human beings. It refers twice to living animals (Rev 8:9; 16:3) and twice to living humans (Rev 12:11; 18:13).

8) The idea that humans have immortal souls comes from Greek philosophy. In the Bible, the soul refers to the entire human being (cf. Gen 2:7; 1 Cor 14:45). [Show More]

Purpose

In Revelation 5, God gave Jesus a book “sealed up with seven seals” (Rev 5:1, 7). In Revelation 6, Jesus breaks the first six seals one by one. When He breaks the fifth seal, John wrote:

“I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God … they cried out with a loud voice:

‘How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood …’

And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer ….” (Rev 6:9-11).

It is often claimed that these “souls” are disembodied but conscious souls literally crying out to God. It is then argued that a human has an immortal part that survives death. This article opposes this conclusion:

Discussion

These same souls come alive when Jesus returns, meaning they are not currently alive. 

Revelation 20:4 is part of the description of Christ’s return (Rev 19:11). It describes the same group of people as in the fifth seal because it also refers to “souls” who have been killed for their faith. However, 20:4 says that these slain souls will come alive when Christ returns, meaning that these ‘souls’ are not alive today. [Show More]

The souls are resting, a term used in Daniel and Revelation as equivalent to ‘sleep.’ 

The souls under the altar “were told that they should rest for a little while longer” (Rev 6:11). In other words, they were resting and must continue resting. Both Daniel and Revelation use the term “rest” to describe death as a state of inactivity (Dan 12:13; Rev 14:13).  [Show More]

When Christ returns:

“Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake” (Dan 12:2).

Therefore, the word “rest” strongly implies that the souls under the altar are not awake.

They are not literal people under a literal altar but symbolize God’s people as sacrificed. 

John saw the souls underneath the altar (Rev 6:9). According to Revelation 16:6, the people of the world “poured out the blood of saints and prophets.” This refers to the Old Testament sacrificial rituals in which the blood of the animal sacrifices was drained into a basin and poured out at the base of the altar of burnt offering[Show More]

The fifth seal converts this into a metaphor. It presents God’s people as “underneath the altar,” meaning that, when God’s people are persecuted and killed, they are sacrificed ON a symbolic altar and their souls (blood or lives) are poured out at the base of the altar. Therefore, symbolically, they are “underneath the altar.” Therefore, John did not see a literal altar or literal souls under the altar. [Show More]

They are not literal people because God’s people do not seek revenge

The “souls” underneath the altar cried out for revenge (Rev 6:10), but God’s people do not seek revenge. Rather, like Jesus and Stephan, they would ask the Father to forgive their murderers (Luke 23:34; Acts 7:60)!

God said that the blood of Abel cried out to Him from the ground (Gen 4:10). Similarly, it is the injustice God’s people had suffered that cries out to God, not living beings. It symbolizes God’s awareness of His people’s suffering and promise to set things right. [Show More]

In the vision, they are not in heaven but under the altar on earth

When the “souls” “were told that they should rest for a little while longer,” they were also given white robes (i.e., confirmation of salvation, or guarantee of eternal life) (Rev 6:11). In other words, they did not receive that guarantee at death, meaning that they could not have gone to ‘heaven’ immediately when they died. In the vision, they are under the altar on which they have been sacrificed, which is on earth.

Since Revelation is a book of symbols, we should assume that these are not literal people

Interpreting the souls under the altar as disembodied but conscious persons requires a literal reading of the text. However, Revelation is a book of symbols:

1) The first verse of the book says that the visions were given in the form of signs (Rev 1:1). [Show More]

2) Many things in the book cannot be literal. For example, a harlot woman rides a seven-headed dragon (Rev 17:3). [Show More]

3) Even things that seem literal are symbolic on further investigation. For example, the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21 is really a symbolic description of God’s eternal people. [Show More]

Given the pervasive symbolism of the book, the safer route is to assume that everything is symbolic unless proven otherwise. The same applies to the souls under the altar. Until proven otherwise, we must assume that the souls under the altar are symbols of realities.

More specifically, since everything in the fifth seal is symbolic, these souls are not literal

It is not a literal lamb.

The seal begins by saying the Lamb broke the fifth seal. It is not a literal lamb but a symbol of Jesus (Rev 5:6). It is also not a literal seal of a literal book. Previous articles identified the book as the Book of Life and the seals as Satan’s accusations against God’s elect. By breaking the seals, Jesus refutes Satan’s accusations and shows that God’s election is perfect. [Show More]

John did not literally see anything.

John wrote that he saw “souls” (Greek: psuchas) under the altar. What did he see? What does a soul look like? How did he know that they were killed, and why? John did not literally see anything, at least not with his physical eyes. These are thoughts that the Holy Spirit gave directly to his mind (cf. Rev 1:10). Perhaps he simply knew things in vision, rather than receiving visual images. [Show More]

The souls were not literally killed.

In this vision, these “souls” were “slain” (killed) for their faith. In 20:4, they were “beheaded.” However, 20:4 adds that they came alive “and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” Therefore, the martyrs in the fifth seal include all of God’s people of all ages, including those who have not been literally killed. [Show More]

They are not literal bodiless souls.

Since they receive white robes, they have bodies. But “souls,” as the term is often understood, do not have bodies. The white robes are symbols of “the righteous acts of the saints” (Rev 19:7-8) and serve as God’s guarantee that they will be resurrected to eternal life. Furthermore, since these “souls” “cried out with a loud voice” (Rev 6:10), they seem to have mouths.

They did not receive literal white robes.

The souls underneath the altar are given white robes (Rev 6:11), but these are not literally white robes. The robes symbolize salvation. White symbolizes purity. [Show More]

It is not a literal number.

The “souls” were told to rest “until the number of their fellow servants … who were to be killed … would be completed also.” This is not a literal number but means that God’s end-time people would be completed QUALITATIVELY in character. (Read Article)

Conclusion

Since everything else in the fifth seal is symbolic, the souls underneath the altar cannot and should not be taken more literally than the description of Jesus as a bleeding lamb (Rev 5:6).

Revelation uses the term “soul” seven times, but never for an immortal part of humans. 

The word translated as “soul” (psuché) is used seven times in Revelation:

It refers twice to animals (Rev 8:9; 16:3). In other words, if humans have “souls,” animals also have souls. Furthermore, in both these two verses, the soul dies. It refers, therefore, to animals’ natural mortal life on this earth today. [Show More]

It also refers twice to the normal mortal life of humans (Rev 12:11; 18:13). In 18:13, the “souls of men” (Interlinear Translation) are included in a long list of things sold by merchants (Rev 18:11-13). Therefore, it cannot be an invisible, immortal part of human beings. [Show More]

It is also used to refer to a person’s innermost being rather than an immortal, conscious part of a human being: “The fruit you (psuché) long for” (Rev 18:14).

The two remaining verses are already discussed above. One is in the fifth seal (Rev 6:9), and the other is the resurrection text (Rev 20:4). These two verses refer to the same people, namely, God’s people who were killed for their faith. However, 20:4 states that these souls are made alive when Christ returns, meaning they are not alive now. In these two verses, the “soul” survives death but is not alive. It may be understood as existence in God’s mind and the promise of resurrection, not as an immortal, conscious part of human beings. [Show More]

The idea of an immortal soul comes from Greek philosophy.

The idea that humans consist of two parts – a physical body and an immaterial and immortal soul – comes from Greek philosophy. In this view, when a person dies, it is the body that dies and disintegrates into nothing, but the soul lives on in a disembodied state.

In contrast, in the Bible, the human being is a unity. The soul refers to the entire human being, consisting of God’s breath (or life principle) and the material body (cf. Gen 2:7; 1 Cor 14:45). In other words, human beings do not have souls, they are souls. (See the articles on Death and Eternal Torment.) [Show More]

God’s people are resurrected immediately after death.

At death, the memory of the person is retained by God. However, with God, time does not exist. God exists beyond time. Therefore, although time seems to pass after the death of a loved one, from the experience of a person who dies, no time passes between death and until Resurrection Day, when the dead person receives a new body. Rather, she or he is instantly resurrected after death and are immediately with both their parents and their children. [Show More]


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  • I recommend Jon Paulien’s commentary on Revelation for further reading. For general theological discussions, I recommend Graham Maxwell, who you will find on the Pineknoll website.

FOOTNOTES

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    C. Yannaras, Elements of Faith (in Greek), p.55